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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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yes it's the skeptic's own podcast

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episode number 658

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for the 23rd of may 2021

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richard saunders with you from sydney

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australia

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hairdressers i haven't been to a

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hairdresser for a little while

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or a barber in fact i'm growing my hair

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a little long for

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an upcoming part in a production

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as a matter of fact but nevertheless

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if i do go to a hairdresser i'll make

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sure i pick one

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who doesn't espouse anti-vaccination

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ideas and that's our first story coming

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up today

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anti-vaccination hairdressers in the

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states of queensland and victoria

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specifically to do with covert 19.

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no this isn't a parody of the skeptic

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zone this isn't some

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crazy alternative reality there are

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actually people in our society who won't

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serve customers who've had

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a covert 19 vaccination find out more at

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the top of the show

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then the australian skeptics newsletter

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compiled by tim mendham

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amongst the items i'll be reading out is

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another crazy idea

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about teaching children via

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a university teaching children

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how to dowse divine

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using pendulums and l rods

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maybe maybe i'm wrong maybe this is some

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sort of crazy alternative reality

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details coming up a bit later on

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following that it's the book of tim

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with tim mendom as tim reads items from

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the skeptic magazine the journal from

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australian skeptics

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this week focusing on items to do with

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the scopes monkey trial from 1925.

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then i speak to members of the great

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australian psychic prediction

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project and find out about a friend of

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mine kelly burke

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well she gave a talk recently at a

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skeptic camp about guerrilla skepticism

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on wikipedia

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you can enjoy that talk via the link in

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this week's show notes

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but find out more as i chat to my

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friends from the prediction project to

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round off the show once more we dive

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into the trove the treasure trove of

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digitized newspapers and so on this time

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from australia

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and again we look at uh reports

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at the time about the scopes monkey

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trial the

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the teacher who was teaching evolution

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so no matter where you are whether

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you're walking the dog

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whether you're out there looking for

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wildlife did i hear some kookaburras

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earlier this morning i'm not sure

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after being snugly warm rugged up in bed

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whether you're driving trucks across the

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are you are you jogging in ireland

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maybe are you commuting in australia are

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are you on the train are you in your car

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listening to the skeptics and no matter

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where you are and what you're doing

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i hope you enjoyed this week's episode

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but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs

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and you know once upon a time i had some

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i don't know if i'm able to really do

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those justice and cook those maybe i'll

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just have some plain pancakes and

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pretend i'm eating lovely japanese

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pancakes while i do that i hope you

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the skeptic zone

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one of the more surprising aspects of

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in certain quarters especially these

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days when the vaccine is being rolled

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and i draw your attention to a couple of

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stories that have come my way in the

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first one courtesy of nine

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and of course there'll be a link in the

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that's the numeral nine news dot com

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that are you

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gold coast hair salon refuses customers

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who have had a covered 19

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vaccine a gold coast hair salon

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media in which the salons

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team claimed that the quote

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unknown health effects of the mrna

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vaccine end quote are not covered by its

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liability insurance the salon now

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requires customers to notify them if

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they have had the vaccine

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prior to making an appointment quote the

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unknown health effects of the

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mr and a vaccine are not covered by a

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public liability insurance and quote the

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salon posted to its facebook page

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confirmed for use in australia have been

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vaccines approved for use are safe and

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end quote acting australian government

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this information could mislead people

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yasmina adler claims she had heard of

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it's spreading somehow and somehow women

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miss adler told nine news there are no

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that match miss adler's claims

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treasurer josh freidenberg told today

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the better end quote and there is

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more on that page but i will add a link

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rest of that report for yourself

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and it's by matt neal and the story says

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health authorities are disheartened as

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vaccinated clients a hairdresser in

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local health authority for saying she

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that endured one of the worst outbreaks

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effects it will have on us

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proteins and quote she wrote

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from the chronovirus cells

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their hosts ms thackery's post

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announcing her

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stance attracted disclaimers from

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quote covert 19 vaccines go through many

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and effectiveness and are then monitored

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closely end quote ms thackery's facebook

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profile contains links to unproven

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anti-lock down sentiments and a post

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referring to a vaccination center as

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a quote mass depopulation

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hub end quote and again

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there is more to read on that story

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and you can read the rest of this uh sad

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case for yourself by clicking the link

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in this week's show notes

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but honestly folks if you just google

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uh covert 19 hairdresser or hairdressers

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you'll find these stories and i hate to

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say it you may find

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even more hairdressers and others who

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here in sydney i will be fronting up at

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the vaccination hub in the suburb of

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vaccine i will be reporting about this

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as best i can and yes

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i do expect some negative side effects i

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may feel unwell i may have a painful arm

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the injection the following day i

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i don't know everybody is different but

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part and parcel of what we all should

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be doing anyway

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on next week's show i will bring you

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that report and

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i will report honestly on any adverse

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reactions i get to the vaccine but

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it won't be any surprise if i do feel a

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little unwell

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but what did surprise me was when i

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found out about these reports that uh

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there are people out there fearing

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vaccinated people

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in the community and i won't have them

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in their business

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astonishing

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hi this is heidi robertson from the

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northern rivers vaccination supporters

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we are a group of concerned citizens

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dedicated

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to promoting good science and common

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sense in our region

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the far north coast of new south wales

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this area famous for its natural beauty

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and relaxed lifestyle also has the

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lowest rates of vaccination in australia

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we are out to change that by challenging

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the myths and misinformation

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and by providing good evidence-based

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information to the community

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we'd love for you no matter where you

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are in the world

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to join our fight please visit our

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webpage

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at www.nrvs.info

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we also have a link there to our

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facebook page

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tweet us at nrvax supporters

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that's vax and check us out on wikipedia

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by searching for

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northern rivers vaccination supporters

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thank you

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let's look at the newsletter from

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australian skeptics

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123

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and tim says hi all just when we thought

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covet conspiracies and quack queuers

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would

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dominate the news along comes the

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university of wollongong to save the day

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dowsing for kids enough said

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read on and you too can read this

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newsletter by going to www.skeptics.com

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signing up

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for the newsletter it will be delivered

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to your inbox every other week

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australian skeptics news university of

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wollongong teaching

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dowsing to kids and there's some good

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news

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in a moment the university of wollongong

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is at it again already notorious for its

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awarding a phd

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for the appallingly anti-vaxxed thesis

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by judy wileyman

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it now has a course for kids in years

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three to four on

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dowsing as part of its early education

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lab workshops

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the blurb goes quote

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imagine if you could find the invisible

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well

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together we will be able to find

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earth energies

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and objects we cannot see using

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dowsing dowsing is an ancient

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or really really old technique used to

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find

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things that solve problems we will be

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using a pendulum

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and some l rods to locate objects and

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no special power is needed as the

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dowsing

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instruments respond to electromagnetic

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if you'd like to be a detective problem

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solving and finding things then

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come and play slash learn

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with us end quote

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do we see a bent spoon nomination coming

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on

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and the good news is since this

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newsletter went out

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a couple of days ago as of time of

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recording

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so it went out on the 18th of may

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apparently and due to this newsletter

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and concerned people contacting the

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university

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that dowsing course has been dropped and

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i for one am

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very happy to hear that i mean you just

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heard what i read out it's just

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to use the term bunk it is bunk

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and not only that it has been long

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debunked bunk

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nothing has been debunked more than

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dowsing water divining

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over 40 years ago here in australia one

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of the biggest tests ever held of water

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dividing water dowsing

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or dowsing in general showed it was bunk

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i

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don't use the word bunk much at all but

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in this case i'll

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use it and if you're listening

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university of wollongong

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water or any sort of dowsing or divining

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is bunk it should not be taught to

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children

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as if it were real and you claim in your

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blurb

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that no special power is needed as the

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dowsing instruments respond to

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electromagnetic stuff we cannot see

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well if you can prove that you get a

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hundred thousand dollars from the

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australian skeptics

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and a nobel prize i can't wait for you

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to apply

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and it's particularly galling for me

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personally

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because for almost 20 years now

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with the mystery investigators group

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troop for schools

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performance we have been demonstrating

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to kids school kids of all ages

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how to test water divining in a

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simple fair random double-blind

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test and to think that

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a university would then go and teach

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these same kids

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that it actually works and here's how to

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do it

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is absolutely calling thank goodness

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thank goodness some sort of common sense

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has crept into that university at last

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and they have cancelled that

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course rant over we read on

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and amongst the other items listed here

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indian officials promote covert

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misinformation

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indian politicians promoting quack cures

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cow dung cow urine and mass steam

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inhalation

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are just some of the many suggestions

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during the current and worsening

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outbreak

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warning yucky pick of men smeared with

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cow dung

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and again each of these items is

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accompanied by a link

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oh by the way that one from the

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university of wollongong

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when we followed the link we were led to

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the pdf

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from the university featuring all the

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activities for kids including the water

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dowsing or

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divining in general which i've kept for

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the archives

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so if it's gone now we still have a copy

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do herbal weight loss aids work

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researchers from the university of

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sydney have undertaken what is touted

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as the world's first review of

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complementary medicines to try and find

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out just how effective

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or ineffective weight loss supplements

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are

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they discovered an industry running

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largely unchecked

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between 1996 and 2006

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a thousand weight loss supplements were

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included on the australian register of

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therapeutic goods

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and were not tested for ethically

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just twenty percent of new listings are

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checked annually

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to make sure they measure up the

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research is noted

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anti-maskers ready to start masking

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irony of irony

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an anti-vaccination conspiracy about the

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vaccinated

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is leading some anti-maskers

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and anti-vaxxers to content plate

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wearing a mask

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and social distancing to protect

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themselves from the vaccinated

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good grief covert skeptics are

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pro-science

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how did covert 19 skeptics become such

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an influential force in society

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a new paper that quote raises awkward

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questions end quote

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attempts to explain how they did and

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what scientists can do about it

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but the american council on science and

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health says the study's analysis is

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plagued by the same set of assumptions

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that

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caused the problem in the first place

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why ufos will never ever go away a

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lengthy article

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blames bad journalism for the continuing

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saga of a topic that lacks

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definitive evidence a good read and

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worth

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the effort how to discuss intelligent

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design with skeptics

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yes you read that right this is a

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podcast

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offering advice to supporters of

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intelligent design

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which is an alternative term for

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creationism using the id

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term means they want it to sound more

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sciency and convincing

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for pro evolutionists i.e ungodly

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materialists

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but it's not science despite the

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complaint that quote

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there is so much misinformation about

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the theory of intelligent design that

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many well-intentioned

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people reject not the actual

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theory but a silly caricature a straw

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man

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they don't realize that id is not an

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argument from ignorance

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but an inference to the best explanation

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based on

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positive evidence for design and

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negative evidence against compelling

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materialistic explanations

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end quote it runs for 15 minutes and the

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podcaster has a bachelor's degree in

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music education and a master of science

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in organizational psychology

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i.e issues concerning hiring and

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training employees

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go figure panther sighting in victoria

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latest in a string of sightings drags up

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some memories

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this one is from near mitt emitter in

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north eastern

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victoria an interesting side note mitt

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emitter is where the skeptics

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have held several water divining tests

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none succeeded maybe they should turn

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their water and gold dividing skills

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into finding

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cats or get the university of wollongong

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to teach them how to do it

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also in the newsletter links on

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subscribing to the skeptic the journal

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from australian skeptics

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and a list of what's coming up event

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wise around australia

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with skeptics in the pub and so on from

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[Music]

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just about every state psychic couple

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claim

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ghosts bounce on their bed

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to make matters worse the ghosts are

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their respective

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mothers-in-law fortunately the spirits

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don't stick around to witness any

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intimate moments but they might offer

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helpful suggestions to the in-laws

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hey it's a daily mail story so it must

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be true

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psychic barber coming to makai a local

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promo

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for australian psychic medium and baba

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beck campbell nothing to do with occam's

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razor we

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assume and finally

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man's video proof ufos exists

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we don't normally include ghost or ufo

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clips as they tend to be much of a

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muchness and pretty unconvincing

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this clip is not necessarily more

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convincing but at least it has

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local interest as it was filmed near the

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gold coast in queensland

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there are more items in that newsletter

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but you can see those for yourself

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well from newsletters from now on if you

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go to www.skeptics.com and sign up

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a

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and now a reading from the book of tim

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[Music]

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with tim mendem

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[Music]

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hi my name's tim menden i'm the editor

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of australian skeptics magazine the

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skeptic

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and this time i'm reading from the

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skeptic magazine

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june 2014 which is

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volume 34 number two which you can

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download for free from our website

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skeptics.com dot a u now the reading

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today

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is from a regular column called what

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goes around

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which is based on the concept that you

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can start off with any particular fact

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you like

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and move from one fact and joins on with

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another fact and brings you back to

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where you started from

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which we call that the inevitable

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realization that

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all knowledge is connected and

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connectable

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now this particular one is on monkeys

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evolution

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law and the wind

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we start off with the monkey trial or

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more properly

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the state of tennessee versus john

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thomas scopes

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or just the scopes trial which was a

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famous us legal case in 1925

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in which a substitute high school

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teacher john scopes

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born 1900 died 1970 was accused of

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violating tennessee's butler act

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which made it unlawful to teach human

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evolution in any state-funded school

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the trial was deliberately staged in

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order to attract publicity

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scopes was unsure whether he had ever

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actually taught evolution

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but he purposely incriminated himself so

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that the case could have a defendant

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under a different name scopes was

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portrayed in the film

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inherit the wind by dick york and that

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film came out in 1960.

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now famous american essayist h.l mencken

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1880 to 1956

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wrote veterinary attacks on the scopes

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trial and those uncivilized

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yokels and that was his word who had

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brought the action

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in his syndicated columns from dayton

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for the baltimore sun

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darrow drew vivid caricatures of the

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backwood

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local populace referring to the people

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of ria county as

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morons peasants hillbillies and yaps

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menken saved particular criticism for

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prosecuting attorney

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williams jennings bryan later called him

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a vulgar and common man are cad

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undiluted

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he was ignorant bigoted self-seeking

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blatant and dishonest

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menkin was nothing if not forthright

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under a different name menken was

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portrayed in inherit the wind by

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gene kelly now william jennings brian

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1860-1925 was a leading american

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politician from the 1890s until his

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death

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he was a major force in the populist

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wing of the democratic party

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and while he was a member of the house

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of representatives and for a short time

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secretary of state

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he failed in his three attempts at the

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party's candidate

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for president of the us that was 1896

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1900

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and 1908 he was a prohibitionist and an

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opponent of darwinism

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on religious and humanitarian grounds

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with his

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commanding voice and wide travels he was

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one of the best-known orators and

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lecturers of the era

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under a different name brian was

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portrayed and inherited the wind by

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frederick march

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with over 500 speeches in 1896 and i

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think of that 500 speeches in one year

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brian was known for for his national

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stumping tour

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traveling from side to side giving much

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the same speech in different locales

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sometimes several times in one day

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in his three presidential bids he

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promoted the free

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silver movement in 1896 anti-imperialism

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in 1900

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and trust busting in 1908 in the latter

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he called on democrats to fight the

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trusts which were big corporations

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and big banks and embrace anti-elitist

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ideals of republicanism

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because of his faith in the wisdom of

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the common people he was nicknamed the

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great commoner

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now another person fighting big business

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and who also failed to achieve the

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political heights he anticipated

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was lawyer clarence darrow 1857-1938

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he moved from a practice in a small

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farming community to corporate law

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and then national prominence as a

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defender of underdogs

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he ran for congress as a democrat in

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1896

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but lost and later toyed with running

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for mayor of chicago

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while he was involved in high profile

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cases such as defending the murderers

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leopold and loeb he was also known as a

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champion

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of poor workers blacks and social and

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political outcasts against big business

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and corrupt officials earning the

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nickname lawyer for the damned

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probably darrow's most famous trial as

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defence lawyer was

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of course that of john scopes in the

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monkey trial

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a highlight of the trial more to draw

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attention to the ludicrous nature

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of religious fundamentalism than as a

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relevant part of the actual case

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was darrow's calling prosecuting lawyer

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brian to the stand

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ruling him on his literal

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interpretations of the bible

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as expected scopes was found guilty and

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fined one hundred dollars

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but the verdict was later overturned

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under technicality

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dairy retired from big cases not long

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after the trial

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and brian died just five days after his

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victory

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of a broken heart according to one

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commentator under a different name

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darya was portrayed in inherit the wind

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by spencer tracy

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which brings us back to where we started

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a good film worth seeing

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very speechifying but interesting

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and that's what goes around from the

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skeptic magazine

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june 2014 volume 34

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number two which as i said you can

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download along with virtually every

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other magazine we've ever published

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[Music]

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[Laughter]

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[Music]

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youtube arrivederci hey everyone this is

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professor dave i want to teach you about

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all kinds of things regarding science i

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want to tell you about

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chemistry biology astronomy

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math and many many more things come

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check me out on youtube

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the channel is called professor dave

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explains take it easy

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[Music]

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now your ears dropping in folks on

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another prediction project i'm with a

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screen full of skeptics

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adrian on last week's show of the week

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before

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i know i think it was last week you had

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an encounter no it was a week before you

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had an encounter with the

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skeptical fairy godmother angel from the

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internet

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who you uh you took away to buy some

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maple syrup but you were talking about

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the skeptic camp coming up how did that

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go

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attendance and

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amazing speakers one of them here

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tonight today with us

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kelly burke she was awesome yeah i've

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heard lots of good hi kelly i've heard a

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lot of

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good things about your talk what was it

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about

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wikipedia and i actually got us a new

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editor

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yay it was such a such such an

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informative talk and it was so

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enthusiastic that although i've been a

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member since 2016

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i wanted to sign up again i wanted to

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sign up again too she did a fabulous job

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and that's the voice of susan gerbic how

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is gorilla skepticism going susan

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oh it is amazing um i still need more

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editors please please please but we just

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hit 88 million page views

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wow i know i can't even believe it

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sometimes i look at these numbers and i

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go

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is that is that millions uh i totally

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expect to hit 100 million by october

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well

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sadly i was asleep or drunk or i don't

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know what i was doing at the time and i

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missed the

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the event adrian how can people

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check out the all the talks including

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the one by kelly

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well it's on youtube under atheist

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calgary

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should be able to find it

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and it's this it's a skipped account or

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as we say we'll put a link in the show

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notes

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oh okay or we'll put a link in the show

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notes

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[Laughter]

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or you can put a link i will put a link

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in the show notes

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folks who spent the last two hours doing

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predictions we thought we'd crack the

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big 200 to go mark we didn't get quite

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that far because we kept getting

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sidetracked

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by basically by basically showing each

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other silly photographs and

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sky whales and all sorts of crazy stuff

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but we got a few done

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and today out of all the ones we've

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marked there were

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two that were correct two correct

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predictions

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which isn't too bad i mean it's that's

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more or less par for the course

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anyway once again uh to my group of

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skeptics in front of me on the

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little screen here thank you and uh

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adrian and kelly

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we'll certainly check out uh the talks

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that were on skeptica

862
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:11,119
should i i guess i should send that link

863
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:13,040
to you please please do

864
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:16,079
thanks everyone thanks guys thanks for

865
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:16,400
joining

866
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:18,000
us and thanks for your support and it

867
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:19,920
showed up right away yeah it does it

868
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:36,069
i'm mick west in my podcast tales from

869
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:37,359
the rabbit hole i have extended

870
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,720
conversations with people who've been

871
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:40,640
involved in conspiracy culture

872
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:42,160
i do this for a couple of reasons

873
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:43,520
firstly because it's really interesting

874
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:44,000
these people

875
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:45,680
have great stories about how they fell

876
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:47,359
down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole

877
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,560
what they did down there

878
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:50,240
and what it was that helped them out

879
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,599
sometimes i also talk to people who

880
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:53,280
investigate conspiracy theories and they

881
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:54,800
have equally fascinating stories from

882
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:55,839
the other side

883
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:57,680
secondly i want to understand how best

884
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:59,119
to prevent the spread of conspiracy

885
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:00,720
theories and misinformation which is an

886
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:02,320
increasing problem in a time when

887
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:04,640
alternative media is exploding the best

888
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:05,440
way to do this

889
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,119
is to communicate effectively with the

890
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:09,119
people involved and the best way to do

891
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:09,599
that

892
00:36:28,860 --> 00:36:12,720
is with a nice long chat check it out

893
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:36,230
[Music]

894
00:36:41,710 --> 00:36:38,069
now it's time once again to dive into

895
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:41,720
those digital archives at trove

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00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:44,320
trove.nla.gov dot a u

897
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:46,480
yes and this week we are concentrating

898
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:48,560
on australian newspapers reports

899
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:51,040
periodicals magazines journals gazettes

900
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:54,240
and the rest and following on from the

901
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:54,720
book of

902
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:57,520
tim i thought we would look up in the

903
00:37:02,230 --> 00:36:58,880
australian

904
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:02,240
references stories relating to the

905
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:03,680
scope's monkey trial

906
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:08,880
as reported here in australia

907
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:20,230
now the first entry we find well there

908
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:21,599
are actually many

909
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:24,160
but uh i've selected a few this one

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00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:25,520
comes from the sun

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00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:28,640
sydney which was in production or

912
00:37:36,270 --> 00:37:32,400
published from 1910 to 1954 it appears

913
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:36,280
and we pick it up on july the 10th

914
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:39,680
1925 is there a god

915
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:42,480
evolution trial issue preliminary

916
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:44,240
argument

917
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,160
sun special dayton tennessee thursday

918
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:50,800
the scopes evolution trial was formally

919
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:51,280
opened

920
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:54,320
today there was much confusion of the

921
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:55,119
definition

922
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:58,240
of the issues before judge ralston

923
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:01,280
w j bryan who is leading the

924
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:04,320
quote fundamentalists and quote

925
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:07,599
insists that the question to be decided

926
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:11,280
is quote is there a god end quote

927
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:14,079
brian declared if evolution be true

928
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:15,599
there is none

929
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:18,320
unwilling to be crowded by brian into

930
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:18,720
this

931
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:21,520
narrow corner the defense is trying to

932
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:22,320
make the

933
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:25,920
contest one upon the legality of the

934
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,240
tennessee anti-evolution law

935
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:30,800
which john scopes is alleged to have

936
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:31,520
broken

937
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:34,320
when he taught evolution to his class at

938
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:39,510
and our next item comes to us from the

939
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:41,520
sunday times in perth

940
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:45,200
dated july the 12th 1925

941
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:48,320
an unusual trial evolution

942
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,880
versus christianity an important

943
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:52,800
american prosecution

944
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:55,920
of widespread interest at dayton

945
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:56,880
tennessee

946
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:00,000
john thomas scopes evolution trial is

947
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:02,320
in the first stage with the drafting of

948
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:03,280
a new

949
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:06,240
indictment assuring strict legality of

950
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:07,280
the accusation

951
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:10,079
and satisfying defense who expect the

952
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:12,160
case to progress through the state

953
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:13,359
supreme court

954
00:39:21,390 --> 00:39:18,800
maintaining that the issue

955
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:21,400
is the determination whether

956
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:22,560
educationalists

957
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:25,280
should be compelled to conform to the

958
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:25,920
tenants

959
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:28,560
of any religion contrary to the

960
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:30,400
constitution

961
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,200
mr william jettings brian whose son has

962
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:35,520
also joined the staff of the prosecuting

963
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:36,720
attorneys

964
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:40,000
totaling nine says that the issue is

965
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:43,200
evolution versus christianity he

966
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:44,880
declared that the trial

967
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:48,160
was an uncovered attack

968
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:51,200
which has been made covertly against

969
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:54,560
christianity for a generation

970
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:56,720
it will bring out information upon which

971
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:57,680
a death

972
00:40:01,670 --> 00:40:00,160
grapple between evolution and

973
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:01,680
christianity will be

974
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:04,960
decided if evolution wins

975
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:08,160
christianity goes for the two cannot

976
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:09,599
stand together

977
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:12,800
the selection of jurymen will proceed

978
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:15,599
with great care as the defense if

979
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:16,480
permitted

980
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:19,359
will present 50 scientific witnesses

981
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:21,119
prolonging the trial

982
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:24,560
at least a month the penalty for scopes

983
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:25,680
if found guilty

984
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,319
is a fine of between one and five

985
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:30,160
hundred dollars

986
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:32,800
a curious mixture of spirits and

987
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:34,480
carnival fanaticism

988
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:37,599
has seized the town of dayton the circus

989
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:39,440
and refreshment concessions

990
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:42,400
have been rented by the town council who

991
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:43,839
use the proceedings to

992
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:46,160
refurnish the courthouse repair the

993
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,040
clock tower

994
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:49,440
paint the benches sweep the streets and

995
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:51,280
hire extra policemen to assist

996
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:54,079
the town's solitary marshal to direct

997
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,000
heavy traffic

998
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:58,480
gay bunting covers the stores and

999
00:41:02,790 --> 00:40:59,680
residences

1000
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:02,800
in the town daytime while coals glow at

1001
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:04,000
night under the beef

1002
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,000
roasting concessions on the courthouse

1003
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:08,400
lawn a hundred newspaper men

1004
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:10,400
and numerous photographers are present

1005
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:12,800
to give every happening countryside

1006
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:14,000
publicity

1007
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:16,480
an army of evangelists from all parts of

1008
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:17,839
the united states

1009
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:20,800
are holding prayer meetings in the halls

1010
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:21,200
and

1011
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,200
the prosecution

1012
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:27,440
of which the following is a typical

1013
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:28,640
outburst

1014
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:30,160
i tell you there are nothing but a big

1015
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:32,079
bunch of anarchists atheists and

1016
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:33,119
scoundrels

1017
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:34,640
we were trying to take our children to

1018
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:37,280
hell with them numerous roadway posters

1019
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,319
exhort passers-by to read the bible

1020
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,200
and be saved competing for attention

1021
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:45,599
with signs of local real estate people

1022
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:48,960
reading quote locate build and prosper

1023
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:49,760
in dayton

1024
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:52,160
end quote the indictment under which

1025
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:53,920
scopes is tried

1026
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:56,319
charges him with having taught theories

1027
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:58,240
other than the story of the

1028
00:42:01,430 --> 00:42:00,800
divine creator of man as taught in the

1029
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:01,440
bible

1030
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,079
and that man ascended from the lower

1031
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,240
order of animals

1032
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:08,640
and now we pick up the story as

1033
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:11,040
published in the newcastle sun

1034
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:14,480
on the 16th of july 1925

1035
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:17,280
no monkey business the fence opened in

1036
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:18,560
scope's trial

1037
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:21,440
w j bryan attacked council declares that

1038
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:23,920
evolution does not deny god

1039
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:26,880
interest continues unabated in the case

1040
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:27,839
in which the

1041
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:30,480
school teacher scopes is charged with

1042
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,319
committing the offence of teaching the

1043
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:34,160
evolution theory

1044
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:37,599
the objection by the defense admitted

1045
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,920
opponents of evolution theory opening

1046
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:41,760
the proceedings with prayer

1047
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:44,319
was overcome by allowing a clergyman who

1048
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:45,680
believed in evolution

1049
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:48,640
to make the invocation the defense in

1050
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:49,839
opening its case

1051
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:51,760
contended that it was compatible to be a

1052
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:54,079
believer in the evolution theory

1053
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:57,280
and at the same time in the bible

1054
00:43:00,710 --> 00:43:00,240
up till today the prayers at the opening

1055
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:00,720
of

1056
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:03,680
quote the monkey trial end quote have

1057
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:05,200
been delivered by

1058
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:08,160
fundamentalist preachers but today the

1059
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:09,280
defense had

1060
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:12,079
an innings when the reverend charles

1061
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:13,040
potter

1062
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:15,119
unitarian pastor of new york who

1063
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:16,560
believes in evolution

1064
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:19,520
made an invocation that contained no

1065
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:20,480
propaganda

1066
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,880
the tempest of the judge and lawyers

1067
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:25,200
have been torn and tattered

1068
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:28,480
owing to a big legal battle yesterday

1069
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:30,560
the court quashed the motion moved

1070
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:32,960
yesterday by mr darrow

1071
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:36,240
for the defense that the tennessee law

1072
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,000
prohibiting the teaching of evolution

1073
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:40,480
theory was unconstitutional

1074
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:42,560
had the judge ruled otherwise the trial

1075
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:44,319
would have ended instantly

1076
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,640
as the foreign progressed the jury was

1077
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:48,480
called in from the courtyard

1078
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:51,040
where it had spent yesterday whittling

1079
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:51,760
sticks

1080
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:54,720
while the legal arguments proceeded four

1081
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:56,720
students testified as to what

1082
00:44:02,309 --> 00:43:59,760
scopes had taught them about evolution

1083
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:02,319
and the case for the prosecution ended

1084
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:03,520
almost before the

1085
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:06,800
spectators realized it had begun

1086
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:09,119
the defense then opened with its first

1087
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:09,920
witness

1088
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,560
professor maynard metcalfe who like

1089
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:14,319
previous witnesses was

1090
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:16,960
coatless and colorless while a big

1091
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:17,680
policeman

1092
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:20,720
wheeled a palm leaf fan in a futile

1093
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:23,599
endeavor to keep the judge cool

1094
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:26,640
mr malone counsel with mr darrow for the

1095
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:27,440
defense

1096
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:30,480
tried to rid him of all the quote monkey

1097
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,119
business

1098
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:33,760
end quote in his first formal statement

1099
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:36,160
before calling witnesses

1100
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:39,119
our broad purpose he said will be to

1101
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:40,800
show that the bible is a work of

1102
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:41,440
religion

1103
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:43,599
which must be kept in the field of

1104
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:46,640
theology and not allowed to obtrude

1105
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:49,520
into the scientific field we as council

1106
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:51,599
for the defense believe that god is a

1107
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,480
spirit

1108
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,160
and they who worship must worship in

1109
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:56,160
spirit and truth

1110
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:59,280
the prosecution to succeed he added

1111
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:01,200
must prove that scopes propounded a

1112
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:04,000
theory which was a denial of the story

1113
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:07,119
of the divine creation of man as the

1114
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,400
bible teaches

1115
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:11,040
and instead taught that a man descended

1116
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:12,640
from the lower animals

1117
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:15,680
we shall make it perfectly clear by the

1118
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,400
testimony of men learned in science and

1119
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:20,240
theology that millions of people who

1120
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:22,000
believe in evolution and who

1121
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:24,480
believe the stories of the creation set

1122
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:26,319
forth in the bible

1123
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,640
find no conflict between the two there

1124
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:30,480
may be a conflict between evolution and

1125
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:33,200
the peculiar ideas mr bryan holds as the

1126
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,839
evangelical leader for the prosecution

1127
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:37,920
but we deny that mr brian

1128
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:40,480
is an authorized spokesman for the

1129
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:41,760
christians of america

1130
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:43,920
the defense maintains that there are

1131
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:46,240
clear distinctions between god

1132
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:49,440
and the church and christianity and

1133
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:50,800
minister brian

1134
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:53,280
added mr malone twice during the trial

1135
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:55,119
the prosecution has referred to

1136
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:58,079
man as descended from monkeys that may

1137
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:58,400
be

1138
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:01,119
mr brian's understanding of evolution

1139
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:02,640
but it is not our view

1140
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:05,119
no scientists of any preeminence hold

1141
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:06,160
such a view

1142
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:09,520
the most science says today is that one

1143
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:12,800
order of men like mammals is capable of

1144
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,000
walking erect

1145
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:16,640
and using their forefeeters hands

1146
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,200
proceeded mr malone

1147
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it would have been fascinating to be in

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that courtroom

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00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:23,680
and now we pick it up again from the

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00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:25,599
newcastle sun dated the 18th

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00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:30,319
of july 1925 defense gets set back

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00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:33,520
dayton monkey trial near's end

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00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:35,920
contemptuous council judge will not

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00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:38,000
permit scientists to give evidence

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00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:39,920
and parts of this are a little hard to

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00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,480
read owing to the quality of the

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00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,119
of the reproduction but we'll press on

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00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:47,280
the scopes evolution trial is nearing

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its

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end judge ralston today

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excluded the scientific testimony

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which the defense proposed to bring to

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disprove the

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allegation that the teaching of

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evolution was advocating

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the denial of god he said that the law

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was clear

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that the teaching of evolution was a

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crime

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dayton tennessee friday the dayton court

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is called to

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order a clergyman steps forward and

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everybody

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stands up the bailiff commands and all a

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babe

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except mr darrow who during the prayers

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sits smoking and drinking red pop and

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reading his morning's mail

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he wears a little blue button inscribed

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l-l-l

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that means quote live and let live

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and quote this is the picture of each

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day's opening

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of the evolution trial that still claims

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the entire front pages of the american

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newspapers

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today the court decided that the

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evolutionists

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could not call expert testimony from

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darwin scientists to prove its

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contentions

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so the end of the trial is inside

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i find said judge ralston that the

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intention of the legislature

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is absolutely plain it prohibited the

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teaching in schools

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that man has descended from lower

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animals i would have said ascended

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not descended and finally we come to the

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daily

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standard published in brisbane

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queensland

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dated wednesday the 22nd of july 1925.

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scopes guilty find one hundred dollars

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for lawbridge monkey trial ended

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and once again the uh the text is a

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00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:40,880
little hard to read but we'll

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do our best australian cable service

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00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:48,400
vancouver tuesday the school teacher

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scopes who was the central figure

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in the celebrated monkey trial which

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took place at dayton ohio last week

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was found guilty of a breach of the law

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of the state for teaching evolution to

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school children

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he was fined 100 it took the jury just

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seven minutes to come to its conclusion

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00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:13,280
the court immediately announced the fine

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and fixed scopes bail at five hundred

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00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:18,240
dollars pending an appeal

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scores of persons offered mr scopes

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sureties

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the offer of the baltimore evening

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00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:28,480
son was finally accepted then

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00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:30,880
followed a great speech making and i

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00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:32,720
think the word is journey it's

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00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:34,240
hard to see because it's a little

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00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:35,839
unclear

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in which the attorney general and other

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00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:40,640
luminaries congratulated dayton

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00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:44,480
on assuming her place in the sun

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as the scene of the scope's trial your

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00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:50,880
sons and sons sons will meet here in

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00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:51,760
years to come

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00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:53,839
to commemorate the hearing of this

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00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:54,960
famous case

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00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:57,599
said one lawyer mr brian again

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00:50:02,230 --> 00:49:59,359
expressing deep sorrow

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that he was denied the privilege of

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grilling

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00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:06,559
that arch agnostic mr darrow

1242
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:08,319
said that more about the trial was

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00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:10,880
cabled abroad than any other incident in

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00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:13,040
american history

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00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:14,960
and i'll make a side comment saying

1246
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:17,359
indeed i have found many references in

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00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:19,280
the australian archives

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00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:22,000
we read on this case goes wider and

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00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:24,079
deeper than any man can

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00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:27,599
here added mr brian impressively

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00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,200
judge upsets mr brian judge ralston

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00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,839
attorney general and i think the word is

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00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:35,680
revered but i'm not sure it's so faint

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00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:36,720
and fuzzy

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00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:40,079
himself today and called off the verbal

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00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:44,000
duel between mrs brian and daryl

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00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:46,800
overnight consideration makes me certain

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00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:47,599
that i was

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00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:50,400
wrong in allowing examination by counsel

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00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:51,200
of each other

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said the judge in ordering that mr

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00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:55,119
bryan's replies defending the bible be

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00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:56,079
expunged

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00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:58,720
from the records mr bryan quickly

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00:51:02,150 --> 00:50:59,680
protested

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that this decision prohibits him

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00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:03,920
examining mr darrow

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00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:06,960
the latter however appealed anxious

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00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,160
to end the case and said i suppose all

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00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:12,480
that remains now is to call in the jury

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and instruct them to bring in a verdict

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of guilty

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[Music]

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trove.nla.gov dot a u

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not trove nla.com as i think somebody

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once tried

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00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:32,920
[Music]

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00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:36,079
nla.gov.edu and you type in scope's

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00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:37,760
monkey trial or monkey trial you will

1280
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,160
see

1281
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:40,559
many reports as reported here in

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australia

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00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:48,790
[Music]

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00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:50,720
now next week on our trove segment we

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00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:52,079
will be looking at

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uh a new age a new age

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and skeptics

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:17,920
zone now i notice our friends at

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canberra's skeptics at

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00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:23,040
canberra skeptics.org are having

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more upcoming talks check them out at

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00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:26,800
that address

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and if you're there maybe you can go

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along

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coming up on the skeptic zone next week

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we'll have a report from

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mind body wallet yes it's on again live

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for the public

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that is we can go and uh mingle around

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the stalls of the new age and the wu

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and the interesting products to buy of

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course there are always interesting

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products in mind body wallet here in

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a report coming up on next week's show

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i'll be doing that a little

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later on today and coming up very soon

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on the skeptic zone a special one-off

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probably in about a week probably after

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the next episode

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a report an interview and i'll tell you

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more next week by iran segev

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in his grain of salt segment this is

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a rare special episode a whole episode

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an extra episode dedicated to uh

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to one topic that's just to wet your

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haven't had aransa gives grain of salt

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on the show for a long time so it'll be

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hello to the people who keep listening

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00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:34,960
for the dice game

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00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,839
where's my always write these down

1372
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:39,200
because i get halfway through sometimes

1373
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:40,400
i think what was the first number i'm

1374
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:41,520
going to roll this

1375
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:45,280
lovely d 10 three times

1376
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:48,319
and there'll be a a fourth roll as a

1377
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:49,040
sort of a

1378
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:51,119
extra number i don't know why but there

1379
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:53,440
you go and you use your psychic

1380
00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:57,040
haha powers dumb luck

1381
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:59,440
i'm going to use my dice rolling machine

1382
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:00,319
so here we go

1383
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:03,680
the first roll of the d10 so you can

1384
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:05,520
choose one two three four five six seven

1385
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:06,559
eight nine ten

1386
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what will it be here it comes

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[Music]

1388
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:14,720
nine did we have nine last week i don't

1389
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:16,960
remember anyway nine is the first number

1390
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,270
three

1391
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:28,230
hmm will i roll a five for susan gerbic

1392
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:29,359
let's have a

1393
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:35,750
oh it's a two oh dear

1394
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,640
nine three and two and i'll use that was

1395
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:40,319
a purple dye i'm gonna use this blue one

1396
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:41,680
now for the supplementary

1397
00:56:56,829 --> 00:56:49,589
10 so today's numbers

1398
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10.

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00:57:19,670 --> 00:56:59,760
who won some breakfast you want some

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00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:22,630
i bet you do okay come on scoot all